tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post7867291219833897284..comments2024-03-23T08:53:29.282-07:00Comments on The Watercolour Log: DrawingPeter Wardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07451951778074071828noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-56040586953188991852013-07-06T00:26:46.157-07:002013-07-06T00:26:46.157-07:00Thanks again Oscar. I must admit my drawings are n...Thanks again Oscar. I must admit my drawings are now more minimal but I also admire very intricate drawings like the Leonardo Da Vinci examples. Dodson's book has some good examples and so have some of the others I listed.<br />I love John Palmers work. He uses a cheap disposable propelling pencil with a thin HB lead.Peter Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07451951778074071828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-70207176301899453582013-07-06T00:23:20.425-07:002013-07-06T00:23:20.425-07:00Hello Donjusko. Interesting stuff but not sure why...Hello Donjusko. Interesting stuff but not sure why it is on this post. It should have been on one of the posts about pigmenstPeter Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07451951778074071828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-8249594438457520562013-07-05T15:08:33.867-07:002013-07-05T15:08:33.867-07:00I've gone back to reread/enjoy John Palmer'...I've gone back to reread/enjoy John Palmer's book. It's just a beautiful. The thing I like about it is that he seems to have thrown away his eraser and allowed his work to be what it is. He trusts what he does. I get the same feeling from Robert Andrew Parker's work. One can only imagine how many drawings they had to do in order to gain that confidence.<br /><br />I have to admit that in my own work, I used to live by that pencil, making sure everything was there. Working that way inspired absolutely no confidence (I liken it to driving off on vacation and hoping you didn't leave all the lights on). Good Lord, I could feel myself tightening my grip on the damned implement. When I made a conscious effort to cut my time down and draw just the barest guidelines and have a damn the torpedoes approach to my work, in other word's, have fun, it was the difference between night and day. However, while It may have been strenuous earlier, I do appreciate the time I put into the learning.<br /><br />There's a belief that one has to put in 10,000 hours to get any good at something. Between drawing commercially, practicing I'd say I've done it and then some. I'm finally having fun and trusting what I do.<br /><br />Just thought I'd share that, even if If I went off subject ;)Oscar Solishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05266668061798353541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-91351711455649314852013-07-05T15:03:39.233-07:002013-07-05T15:03:39.233-07:00Hi Peter, my last post doesn't make complete s...Hi Peter, my last post doesn't make complete sense unless you know it was part of a post sent to an artist in Europe, Adrien Lucca. It included images. We are working on color like your are.donjuskohttp://www.realcolorwheel.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-67436950014910029712013-07-05T14:50:57.242-07:002013-07-05T14:50:57.242-07:00Hi Peter,
I'm Don Jusko, http://www.realcolorw...Hi Peter,<br />I'm Don Jusko, http://www.realcolorwheel.com/<br />The new pigment PV55 was brought to my attention.<br /><br />This site is getting better each year, <br />http://www.artiscreation.com/violet.html#PV55<br /><br />For a limited you can get a free tube of Daniel Smith Quinacridone Purple (PV 55) with the purchase of their Quinacridone Watercolor Set.<br /><br />Claimed to be superior to Quinacridone Violet PV 19 (Ref Coating Tech June 2010, pg 48);<br /><br />Organic; A "solid solution" formed from the mixing of 2,9-dimethoxyquinacridone and 2,9-dichloroquinacridone resulting in a unique crystal form. (Ref);The hue is said to be closer to carbazole violet (PV 23) than PV 19 and PV 29 (Ref)<br /><br /><br />Well, since PV19 won't make a good blue because it's on the red side and PR122 will make a decent red and blue. Perhaps this PV55 will split the difference. I want some dry to do the comparison my self. I'm sending this email because it will make it to the blog plus I get a copy sent to my own email.<br />Later, Don<br />Golden has a draw-down of the color and it looks good. (PV19)<br />http://www.goldenpaints.com/products/color/heavybody/colors/1330infopg.php<br /><br />I like the w/c PV55 on D.S. site too. It does split the difference between PR122 and PV19<br />http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1309640<br /><br />I noticed all the sites now calling PV19 permanent, the pigment hasn't changed, the sites changed their info. (No one is testing)<br /><br />http://watercolourfanatic.blogspot.com/2012/09/quinacridone-purple-pigment-violet-55.html<br />This guy Peter did a good job of testing and showing his results too. I wish he had used PY100 instead of orange to get his reds.<br /><br />In this image it looks like PV55 is too purple to be primary but the painting shows a good tinted magenta color. He didn't say how it was made. I guess I have to test them myself, or see your tests.<br /><br /><br />donjuskohttp://www.realcolorwheel.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-83210988795424398632013-07-05T05:47:32.515-07:002013-07-05T05:47:32.515-07:00Thanks for comments Irena.With the hundreds of boo...Thanks for comments Irena.With the hundreds of books available I'm sure there are lots of different views on which are good or the best. I've not heard of this one I confess but who could possibly cover all of them.Peter Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07451951778074071828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-49780067256333431502013-07-05T02:08:37.449-07:002013-07-05T02:08:37.449-07:00One I bought a long time ago is Draw: How to Maste...One I bought a long time ago is Draw: How to Master the Art by Jeffrey Camp. It shows ths the way various artists tackled their subjects with many different ways of mark making.Irenanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-74944465436224090162013-07-04T00:44:57.427-07:002013-07-04T00:44:57.427-07:00I must have missed your comment Oscar giving up af...I must have missed your comment Oscar giving up after the first few replies(!). Yours was the sort of response I was after - but mostly didn't get.Peter Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07451951778074071828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-17273477375384934402013-07-03T18:40:03.685-07:002013-07-03T18:40:03.685-07:00I went back to wetcanvas (I know, I know...) and f...I went back to wetcanvas (I know, I know...) and found your post about the drawing books. I noticed I posted too (it's the last post). I hope I wasn't one of those who went off the rails.<br /><br />I did recommend books by Andrew Loomis and I stand by those, in particular "Figure Drawing For What It's Worth". They are excellent and cover a wide range of subjects, but most importantly, the information is clear.<br /><br />I've been dipping into the late Rowland Wilson's "Trade Secrets". The book isn't about learning the basics. It's about taking drawings to the next step. It's a difficult book to get through, but it's also rewarding. As such, it's not your typical how to book. It is, however, a worthy addition to any library, but I warn everyone that it's pretty dense. Luckily the illustrations are fun. While he was a cartoonist, illustrator and animator and not a "fine" artist, Wilson was highly accomplished and knew what he was talking about. Highly recommended and available from Amazon.<br /><br />Sorry for the long comment.Oscar Solishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05266668061798353541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-38001477337589912522013-07-03T14:32:01.573-07:002013-07-03T14:32:01.573-07:00I don't know any of those Mick but as I've...I don't know any of those Mick but as I've said there are hundreds on drawing (watercolour also). Individually we can only scratch the surface. Peter Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07451951778074071828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-81076542721831719182013-07-03T14:30:16.242-07:002013-07-03T14:30:16.242-07:00Welcome back Linda. Missed you for a while. I'...Welcome back Linda. Missed you for a while. I'm sure you are right about also painting.Peter Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07451951778074071828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-51612118235789458482013-07-03T13:08:33.920-07:002013-07-03T13:08:33.920-07:00I'm also keen on the Dodson but have found the...I'm also keen on the Dodson but have found the following of some use: Experimental Drawing and Learning to Draw - a creative approach, both by Robert Kaupelis; Art of Responsive Drawing by Nathan Goldstein; The FIgure - classic approach to Drawing and Construction by Walt Reed; Drawing - Seeing and Observation by Ian Simpson.<br /><br />I believe that most of us require some guidance in drawing the human. It is no surprise that traditional art courses placed great emphasis on figure drawing, for me there is no better discipline.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09350381570737387904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-23605204561776353622013-07-03T11:18:39.684-07:002013-07-03T11:18:39.684-07:00Drawing books and drawing daily from life and book...Drawing books and drawing daily from life and books is absolutely fundamental to painting. At the same time though it's a good idea to paint. Where drawing is wonderful for training the eye for line densities, shapes and values, painting has a lot to do with developing color sensititvity and the power of dots, dashes,dabs and edges. I would encourage the beginner to do both. Linda Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02833417183469551153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-38429991505046365862013-07-03T10:46:59.427-07:002013-07-03T10:46:59.427-07:00Thanks for your perceptive comments Oscar - always...Thanks for your perceptive comments Oscar - always welcome.Peter Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07451951778074071828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-10096439598833699352013-07-03T09:55:44.863-07:002013-07-03T09:55:44.863-07:00"...it seems at times, that there is a lot of..."...it seems at times, that there is a lot of dipping into the same well, same artists, etc."<br /><br />I want to clarify what I wrote. I did not mean the people who post on Wetcanvas. I meant that the same professional watercolorists are mentioned time and time again. Nothing wrong with that, but now and then I'd bring up a guy like, for example, Robert Andrew Parker and get barely a ripple, if any (Parker is one of Reid's favorite artists).<br /><br />I suppose in the end it's all about a comfort zone.Oscar Solishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05266668061798353541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-66810858900437909092013-07-03T09:48:42.418-07:002013-07-03T09:48:42.418-07:00I've seen many of the books here and I agree t...I've seen many of the books here and I agree that the Bert Dodson book is terrific. I also enjoy John Palmer's book although it had to grow on me. I have to say that Charles Reid's method is great. It's simple, direct and forces one to see just what needs to be seen.<br /><br />Having had, as an illustrator, to draw tight for too many years than I care to remember, I offer the following advice to anyone who wishes to stop this nasty habit :) :Cut the time to which you devote to a project. Instead of spending five hours, cut the time in half. Many people realize that most of the time is spent on details that can be eliminated or merely suggested quickly. But they must make a conscious effort to do this. Like anything it takes practice. <br /><br />Not surprised about Wetcanvas. While great advice can be found there, I've found it's best to steer clear. Very dogmatic and very quick to put you "right", which can kill creativity and experimentation and plus, it seems at times, that there is a lot of dipping into the same well, same artists, etc. I always feel bad for the newbies who just want a simple question answered. Just my opinion. Can you imagine what they would say if I posted that I love painting watercolors on acid free index card stock (it's all in how you handle it).<br /><br />Another excellent post.Oscar Solishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05266668061798353541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-89319181757657368152013-07-03T07:50:30.421-07:002013-07-03T07:50:30.421-07:00Thanks for comments Maike. I'm sure life drawi...Thanks for comments Maike. I'm sure life drawing can be a great help.Peter Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07451951778074071828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2891643331061427318.post-88714822286824577152013-07-03T07:45:32.362-07:002013-07-03T07:45:32.362-07:00The most interesting book i ever stumbled upon is:...The most interesting book i ever stumbled upon is: the natural way to draw by Kimon Nicolaides. ( It is mainly about contour drawing.) The best way to learn drawing is to take ( how to say it in english?) nude drawing classes, especially with a sculptor. Once you can draw that you´ll manage everything.Bohlenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17823852625872386026noreply@blogger.com